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	<title>Comments on: Trip: Walking the Mokihinui River, Southern Branch</title>
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	<description>Wellington-biased back-country tramping in New Zealand</description>
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		<title>By: Mike McGavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McGavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jonathan.  (I &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=540&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;liked the Tararua AG&lt;/a&gt;, btw.)  I should throw in a link for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oldghostroad.org.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Old Ghost Road&lt;/a&gt; website of the Mokihinui-Lyell Backcountry Trust.

Getting the track sorted between Seddonville and Mokihinui Forks could be a task and a half from what I remember but it&#039;ll be interesting to see it finished.  I&#039;ve only been there the one time, and I remember a few small sections that seemed very dodgy just to walk through given how they fell away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jonathan.  (I <a href="/?p=540" rel="nofollow">liked the Tararua AG</a>, btw.)  I should throw in a link for <a href="http://www.oldghostroad.org.nz/" rel="nofollow">The Old Ghost Road</a> website of the Mokihinui-Lyell Backcountry Trust.</p>
<p>Getting the track sorted between Seddonville and Mokihinui Forks could be a task and a half from what I remember but it&#8217;ll be interesting to see it finished.  I&#8217;ve only been there the one time, and I remember a few small sections that seemed very dodgy just to walk through given how they fell away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A group of 45 mountain bikers from around the country descended on the Mokihinui Gorge last weekend and cleared most of the tree fall and rocks from the first 7 km of the track. Now the Ghost Road team plan to send a contractor up to restore the track up to Mokihinui Forks, making this area much more accessible.
The day after the work party several people walked up the track and rafted down from Rough and Tumble Ck. What a wonderful trip. It&#039;s an ideal river for rafting, and lots of interesting history to add interest.
Another group biked up to Andersons Creek and found it 98% rideable.

This makes much of Meridians evidance out of date. More people are using the area than they estimate, and you don&#039;t have to chopper into raft the river. Their evidance relys heavily on the Mokihinui Track being in a poor and deteriorating state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A group of 45 mountain bikers from around the country descended on the Mokihinui Gorge last weekend and cleared most of the tree fall and rocks from the first 7 km of the track. Now the Ghost Road team plan to send a contractor up to restore the track up to Mokihinui Forks, making this area much more accessible.<br />
The day after the work party several people walked up the track and rafted down from Rough and Tumble Ck. What a wonderful trip. It&#8217;s an ideal river for rafting, and lots of interesting history to add interest.<br />
Another group biked up to Andersons Creek and found it 98% rideable.</p>
<p>This makes much of Meridians evidance out of date. More people are using the area than they estimate, and you don&#8217;t have to chopper into raft the river. Their evidance relys heavily on the Mokihinui Track being in a poor and deteriorating state.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McGavin</title>
		<link>http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/421/comment-page-1#comment-42417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McGavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mokihinui monster.  Great to read about your adventure. You must have had the better side of the weather.

It sucks to hear it&#039;s still going, although I guess that&#039;s still better than it going ahead.  Last time I submitted on a power company plan, and read the other submissions, it was brilliantly clear how the energy corps were doing their best to completely overwhelm the councils and re-write their laws from them (certainly a very &#039;we can handle all that detail for you&#039; sort of attitude). There&#039;s tens of millions available in money to burn in hiring policy analysts and legal experts to write their ideal laws and argue their case. It might be that often there &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; good points being made, but I get concerned about how DoC in particular is handling its recent funding cuts, and what this does to its legislated advocacy role long term. DoC is really the only organisation with the resources necessary to critically analyse some of the submissions that come from energy companies , and mining companies for that matter, from the perspective of environmental longevity and to take it the full distance and keep all the stakes in the open submissions process where people can see them.  Environmental advocacy is about much more than publishing a blog that reminds people the environment exists, but unfortunately the Conservation Act doesn&#039;t define it too clearly, I don&#039;t think.)

I don&#039;t remember suggesting a boycott, though I can see why some people would do that.  (I&#039;m not entirely sure it&#039;d work for myself, given how abstracted New Zealand&#039;s generators are from the retailers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mokihinui monster.  Great to read about your adventure. You must have had the better side of the weather.</p>
<p>It sucks to hear it&#8217;s still going, although I guess that&#8217;s still better than it going ahead.  Last time I submitted on a power company plan, and read the other submissions, it was brilliantly clear how the energy corps were doing their best to completely overwhelm the councils and re-write their laws from them (certainly a very &#8216;we can handle all that detail for you&#8217; sort of attitude). There&#8217;s tens of millions available in money to burn in hiring policy analysts and legal experts to write their ideal laws and argue their case. It might be that often there <em>are</em> good points being made, but I get concerned about how DoC in particular is handling its recent funding cuts, and what this does to its legislated advocacy role long term. DoC is really the only organisation with the resources necessary to critically analyse some of the submissions that come from energy companies , and mining companies for that matter, from the perspective of environmental longevity and to take it the full distance and keep all the stakes in the open submissions process where people can see them.  Environmental advocacy is about much more than publishing a blog that reminds people the environment exists, but unfortunately the Conservation Act doesn&#8217;t define it too clearly, I don&#8217;t think.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember suggesting a boycott, though I can see why some people would do that.  (I&#8217;m not entirely sure it&#8217;d work for myself, given how abstracted New Zealand&#8217;s generators are from the retailers.)</p>
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		<title>By: mokihinui monster</title>
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		<dc:creator>mokihinui monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,
I live in Seddonville, and a group of us walked the same route later in January 2010, and we had beautiful weather all the way (having planned for just that).  We got lost a couple of times, at the saddle, and over above Mountain Creek, but all in good spirit.  What an excellent blog of your journey.  I am very much hinvolved in the environment court appeal over the hydro proposal.  Meridian withdrew its request for concession/ land swap, after DOC refused consent to exchange the footprint of the proposed reservoir.  The environment court appeal hearing will be held in about August 2012.  I am a party to the appeal.   Appellants are DOC, F&amp;B, White Water Rafting, WC Ent.  there are 4  s274 parties to the appeal, being myself, Rick Barber (Kaitiaki Mokihinui), John McTaggart (a dissenting Mokihinui resident) and a person from Nelson.  Supporters for Meridian&#039;s proposal are 5 electricity suppliers from around the South Island, including Orion  and Buller Electricity.  There are one or two other sundry supporters.
   Right now I should be reading up on the mountains of the evidence-in-chief from Meridian instead of reading mokihinui blogs.  
The process is at the stage of evidence exchange.    Appellants need to produce their evidence-in-chief by about March 2012.  Meridian will probably reapply for the land exchange once/if it is successful in the environment court.  
As you suggested, good things to do are boycotting Meridian; it would be great to get a national boycott going - we could cripple them!!!!!!
Another really good thing to do would be to get an international figure interested, I thought about Prince Charles, as he is an ardent conservationist, but my wonderful thoughts rarely surface as i get bogged down by details, such as reading and analysing mountains of meridian bullshit that wont serve me well, because I will not be an expert witness in the environ ment court, just an interested party and my evidence will amount to very little, but I will put my best foot forward anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
I live in Seddonville, and a group of us walked the same route later in January 2010, and we had beautiful weather all the way (having planned for just that).  We got lost a couple of times, at the saddle, and over above Mountain Creek, but all in good spirit.  What an excellent blog of your journey.  I am very much hinvolved in the environment court appeal over the hydro proposal.  Meridian withdrew its request for concession/ land swap, after DOC refused consent to exchange the footprint of the proposed reservoir.  The environment court appeal hearing will be held in about August 2012.  I am a party to the appeal.   Appellants are DOC, F&amp;B, White Water Rafting, WC Ent.  there are 4  s274 parties to the appeal, being myself, Rick Barber (Kaitiaki Mokihinui), John McTaggart (a dissenting Mokihinui resident) and a person from Nelson.  Supporters for Meridian&#8217;s proposal are 5 electricity suppliers from around the South Island, including Orion  and Buller Electricity.  There are one or two other sundry supporters.<br />
   Right now I should be reading up on the mountains of the evidence-in-chief from Meridian instead of reading mokihinui blogs.<br />
The process is at the stage of evidence exchange.    Appellants need to produce their evidence-in-chief by about March 2012.  Meridian will probably reapply for the land exchange once/if it is successful in the environment court.<br />
As you suggested, good things to do are boycotting Meridian; it would be great to get a national boycott going &#8211; we could cripple them!!!!!!<br />
Another really good thing to do would be to get an international figure interested, I thought about Prince Charles, as he is an ardent conservationist, but my wonderful thoughts rarely surface as i get bogged down by details, such as reading and analysing mountains of meridian bullshit that wont serve me well, because I will not be an expert witness in the environ ment court, just an interested party and my evidence will amount to very little, but I will put my best foot forward anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Save the Mokihinui River &#8250; Psyberspace</title>
		<link>http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/421/comment-page-1#comment-19313</link>
		<dc:creator>Save the Mokihinui River &#8250; Psyberspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to go there this year, and take a lot of photos and put them on the net. http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/421 (Report on a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going to go there this year, and take a lot of photos and put them on the net. <a href="http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/421" rel="nofollow">http://www.windy.gen.nz/index.php/archives/421</a> (Report on a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McGavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McGavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip.  Funnily enough I ordered it from Trademe last night, ironically (from memory) as a consequence of reading about it in one of the FMC bulletins during this trip. The library copy seems perpetually on issue, and I could get it for $3 cheaper than Whitcoulls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip.  Funnily enough I ordered it from Trademe last night, ironically (from memory) as a consequence of reading about it in one of the FMC bulletins during this trip. The library copy seems perpetually on issue, and I could get it for $3 cheaper than Whitcoulls.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, again a great read! Hindsight is a wonderful thing and on reflecting on many trips I find that I always learn something either about myself or what I could have done better. On a related topic a very good book to read is &quot;High Misadventure&quot; by Paul Hersey which looks at NZ mountaineering tragedies and survival stories where we can learn from hindsight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, again a great read! Hindsight is a wonderful thing and on reflecting on many trips I find that I always learn something either about myself or what I could have done better. On a related topic a very good book to read is &#8220;High Misadventure&#8221; by Paul Hersey which looks at NZ mountaineering tragedies and survival stories where we can learn from hindsight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McGavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McGavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stephen.  Yes it was very worthwhile in hindsight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stephen.  Yes it was very worthwhile in hindsight.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great read Mike, sounds like an epic trip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great read Mike, sounds like an epic trip</p>
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